A Discussion about Ecchi, Lolicon and Politics with the Owner of Fapservice.com

f6mxRvrFapservice.com is an NSFW website that highlights the ecchi fanservice scenes in anime and manga. If you’re an ecchi lover, you probably know about the site already! It’s a great resource if you want to get your ecchi fix without having to watch an entire series.

I recently sat down with wizardofecchi, the owner of the website, to discuss his philosophy about ecchi and otaku sexuality. We also talk about the stigma that lovers of 2D characters face, as well as what is probably the most controversial issue in the fandom today: lolicon.

Q. Could you briefly explain what you do at Fapservice.com?

Sexual material has long existed in anime, often as a bonus feature in so called ‘ecchi’ (shorthand for ‘perverted’) anime.  But over the past 5-10 years, ‘ecchi’ anime has evolved into a more purist form with intense nude scenes and even mini-OVA extras on blu-ray that left zero doubt of their erotic intentions.  Many ecchi titles these days make no qualms about it- they fully intend for their content to be fapped to.

These ‘new wave’ ecchi titles would generally cram about 10-30 minutes worth of softcore porn material over a ~300 minute season.  This is really nice for fans of softcore-attuned types who feel turned off by the violent and degrading nature of hentai or who simply prefer solo girl or girl/girl stuff over boy/girl.

Not to mention, the production values in anime tend to be much higher, particularly for popular series such as To Love-Ru  or Queen’s Blade.  The only problem is, well, the other 270-290 minutes.  It’s not a burden that hentai fans have to deal with.

to_101201_003Early in 2013 I started making videos compiling “the good parts” of these types of shows into a single video for each series, not unlike Mr. Skin, but for anime.  It was only for my own use, but after I saw how good they were turning out, I knew that I just couldn’t keep them all to myself.

About half a year later, I launched fapservice.com.  For the first year or so it was almost totally dedicated to these types of videos, but has since evolved, thanks to a long list of awesome writers and volunteers, into a seasonal anime review site, like a Random Curiosity for pervs.

I think ecchi is really fun and that’s at the heart of what I have always wanted the site to be about.  Part of that mission is doing my part to help remove the stigma associated with 2D erotica. Honestly, I think as long as you aren’t hurting anybody, people should be allowed do whatever they need to do to meet their sexual needs, and while fapservice has now branched out into mainstream waters a bit, ultimately it will always be a site where the goal is to fap to sexy girls in a judgement free environment.  Those girls may happen to be 2D most of the time, but they are still sexy all the same.

Q. What are some of your favourite ecchi anime? What series have you enjoyed covering the most on your site?

The most fun I ever had blogging an anime was season one of Shinmai Maou no Testament last year.  Not only was the adult content WAY more intense than anticipated, the story was rock solid and never boring. Maken-Ki! Two was also pretty fun since all the nude scenes were redrawn from TV and so each week was like playing detective, trying to guess which scenes would show the fun bits on BD.

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The best actual anime to feature gratuitous nudity was Ranma 1/2. It started to lose its magic after about 2.5 seasons, but for the first 50 episodes worth, it was pure gold.

My favorite ecchi shows nowadays are basically the ones that I know will make for the hottest videos. So stuff like Juuden-chan, Maken-Ki!, Ikkitousen, FREEZING, Queen’s Blade, etc.

Q. Detractors of ecchi often say that fanservice is unnecessary and that people should just watch hentai if they want sexual titillation in anime. I know that your site covers some hentai as well, but what’s the allure of ecchi fanservice in TV anime?

Anyone who says something like that probably has a very narrow view of things.  Not everyone is into hardcore stuff, and not every hardcore fan is exclusive to hardcore.

There are plenty of guys, though probably still a minority, who prefer softcore porn to hardcore porn.  And I don’t just mean for anime or hentai but for live-action porn as well.  And the fact is, softcore porn is generally overlooked in the hentai business, or at least it has been for the past 25 years or so.  If you want to fap to softcore 2D, your options are pretty limited.  Which is why ecchi anime evolved to fill this void.

In addition to the softcore fanbase, there is something totally unique about sexuality in the context of an anime.  For example, there’s rarely any kind of real character development in most hentai.  This is in contrast with anime series that typically run 12 episodes and offer plenty of time to develop the characters.  It definitely feels different when we feel we know (or obsess over) the characters before seeing them get naked.

And due to the fact that hentai titles tend to be pretty short- usually only a couple episodes in most cases- they tend to lack the time required to tease viewers.  For me, tease is what makes ecchi so much better than anything else for stimulation. In Seikon no Qwaser for example, we only get a murky glimpses of the main character’s nipples before she has her big reveal around episode 8 or so.  The impact of seeing her bare breasts is greatly increased by the frustration of having to wait to see them for so long.  Of course, she doesn’t just show them, they get sucked on too.  So it ends up being a pretty epic experience that few hentai would be able to match.

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There was a similar impact for characters like Ekaterina Kurae (also from Seikon no Qwaser) who had never shown her nipples in the manga and only showed them in sneaky ways during the anime.

Overall, the context and the buildup of the nude scenes, as well as the typically superior production values, makes the eroticism of ecchi anime as good or better than most hentai.

Q. You’ve been blogging about ecchi anime since 2013. Have you noticed any particular trends in ecchi anime over the years? Do you feel that now is a good time to be a fan of ecchi anime?

It’s really hard to say.  2014 was the weakest year for ecchi since the ecchi boom started in 2007, yet 2015 ended up being the strongest.  And now, coming off the strongest ecchi year ever, the first anime season of 2016 is looking like it will be the first TV anime season in a decade to not have a single nipple sighting.  Sales have been all over the place and it’s hard to tell how much the industry trusts the ecchi genre as a money-maker going forward.  Recently the results have been way too random to project the health of the ecchi side of the anime/manga industry with much confidence.

Hopefully the current era of ecchi anime lasts and lasts, but it’s impossible to know where it will be in a few year’s time.

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Q. I’ve noticed that your site employs a somewhat broad definition of fanservice. Many posts feature screenshots of female characters who are fully clothed but happen to look very flattering, for instance. Is fanservice more than tits, ass and nudity?

About a year ago, a series of unfortunate events forced to me make a tough decision.  Either shut down the site for good, or bring in help from among the readership to help with content so that I could fix the site over several months and keep content rolling.

I chose the latter, and it ended up being a terrific decision.  With new writers and contributors came a huge boost in site content, and within about 6 months the site traffic had increased by 500% before stabilizing around 21-22k daily visitors from all around the world.  Though the site is in English and I myself am an American, nearly a third of the site’s traffic is from non-English speaking countries.  And about roughly half of the site contributors are from outside the US.

As it turns out, this group was remarkably diverse with a very wide definition of what is sexy.  Many of them are dedicated type-A fans, and the guy who does more than anyone to manage the site these days, ScissorMeTimbers, swears that he never faps to anime.  Which is pretty funny, given that such a thing is the entire point of the site.

But like all collaboration efforts, there has to be some give and take and so to keep content moving, I gave every writer a lot of freedom in what they wanted to cover and we try to work off each other like a team.  As a result, the site has become decidedly more like (the American version of) “Maxim Magazine” recently, although a great deal of that has to do with a Winter 2016 season that is the tamest for service in a decade.  Ideally, you want something like the 2015 Summer season where readers are tuning in every day to see what new exciting sexy content just came out.

Q. Could you explain what type-A fans are?

Type-A fans watch anime primarily for the plot or story.

Type-B fans watch anime for any other reason.  Whether it be action, nerdery, fanboyishness, or sexual stimulation.  Type B fans are most frequently associated with those seeking sexual stimulation from anime, but it’s actually a very broad definition that includes anyone who watches anime for reasons other than story.

Q. How has the Fapservice community evolved over the years? 

I would say it has always been a community that values humor and brotherhood.  That’s what makes it special compared to a lot of other places on the internet I think.  Some of the commenters are just insanely insightful people, which tells me that we’ve done the right things to attract the right kind of audience.

A featured comment on the Shinmai Maou no Testament fanservice compilation page
A featured comment on the Shinmai Maou no Testament fanservice compilation page

Q. In a recent blog post, you described yourself as an “apprentice lolicon” and attempted to defend lolicon fans. There’s a heavy stigma around lolicon, even among hardcore anime fans. Although lolicon does not involve the real-life exploitation of children, it is still heavily linked to pedophilia in the minds of most people. How would you explain lolicon to those people?

Well, among Japanese Otaku, you are an outsider if you are NOT a lolicon.  It’s all a matter of cultural perspective.  I tend to think that Japan, though currently suffering through a socially conservative regime at the moment, has generally been one of the most progressive nations in the entire world since the post-war rebuild began.  That’s not to say liberalism can’t go too far, but I tend to think that social progressives tend to end up on the right side of history more often than not and that Japan’s recent history of social progressiveness on many issues, including sexual ones, is a window into the future of all rich nations.  I think we have more to learn from them than they do from us.

The key thing here is that nobody is getting hurt by a drawing.  It’s the same reasoning as to why we don’t ban violence in video games or movies in America.

Ultimately, as long as you aren’t hurting anyone or anything, you should be allowed to live any lifestyle you want.  Whether that means ‘shacking up’ with a girlfriend for 50 years, or living intimately with a member of the same sex, or deciding to get married… to your long beloved dakimakura.  That’s an anime pillow, for those who don’t know.

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I personally think the connection between lolicons and pedos is lazy surface level reasoning.  For starters, most anime lolis don’t actually look like realistic portrayals of young girls.  And never mind that the real life versions are smelly, loud and annoying.  It goes totally at odds with the escapism and idealism that many lolicons feel on a Freudian level.  Many Otaku are men who never want to grow up and deal with the responsibilities of being an adult man in society (i.e. get married, have kids, become the head of a household).  As a person who never wants to grow up, it only makes sense that they would seek a fictional girlfriend who never has to grow up either.  And obviously, an ACTUAL girl would ACTUALLY grow up, which would defeat the whole point for a lolicon, assuming they were ever even interested in a real girl in the first place.

I used to be judgmental about the subject, but the more I came know actual lolicons and hear their philosophy the more I began to realize that they get a raw deal unfairly from sanctimonious types who do not know what they do not know.

Personally, I think lolis in anime are fun and yes, they can be sexy.  But what makes them sexy is how they in no way represent a realistic portrayal of a little girl.  They are a series of squiggly lines with coloring on a computer screen.  And they represent an ideal that is totally at odds with the harshness of adult reality.  I get that on a societal level, we need men to be grownups, for the betterment of society and all that, but on a purely individual level, I think people should be allowed to be who they want to be.

Q. Personally speaking, one of my problems with the lolicon mentality is that it puts female sexual innocence on a pedestal. This sort of attitude towards female sexuality is not uncommon in mainstream society, where it’s difficult for girls to express themselves sexually without being shamed. How do you suggest we talk about anime and gender issues in a way that no one feels shamed or marginalised for their sexual preferences?

I think most people respect an unpopular opinion if it is well supported and you show that you clearly put a lot of self-formulated thought into that opinion.  Anyone that becomes your enemy over such a thing probably isn’t a friend you would have wanted anyway.

The best way to overcome social stigma is to talk about the subject as openly and as frequently as possible.  Slowly over time, familiarity causes the issue seem normal.  This has become a well recognized tool for social progressives.

Take the issue of gay marriage for example.  For Americans in the 1990s, the idea of gay marriage was utterly unthinkable.  In the 2004 election, an American president staked his re-election on the gay marriage issue, and won, with several states passing constitutional amendments to bar it.  But fast forward ten years, and not only is gay marriage legal, it’s done a total 180 in public support.

And with the current wave of transgender discussions and exposure, we’ve already seen many states pass gender identity legislation with regards to public bathrooms and locker rooms.  The gender we identify as is becoming protected as part of the civil rights movement.  This was something that was unthinkable just a few years ago.

Whichever side of those issues you may fall on, there’s no denying that exposure to those issues eroded the stigma that was around them.  And this is something that has been true going back a long time.  Everything from 60’s civil rights to women’s suffrage to ending slavery.  All started as ‘unthinkable’ ideas that became less and less shocking and more and more reasonable the more people became used to it.

So I think the best way to remove the stigma around sexualizing 2D material is to simply discuss it openly and often in a way that shows people that it’s not a big deal.  Make it seem normal, and in time perception will become reality.

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Q. Finally, is there anything you’d like to say to anime fans who like ecchi but find it difficult to admit openly?

The more normal we make it seem, the more normal it becomes.


I’m extremely grateful to wizardofecchi for letting me have this interview with him. While I don’t necessarily agree with everything being said here (for one thing, much of the backlash against lolicon has come from within Japan itself, notably from actual girls), I also firmly believe that these views need to be heard. Long-time readers are probably already aware of my views towards otaku sexuality, so I won’t go on about it here. For those of you interested in how Japanese ecchi fans approach the topic, I translated a Japanese To Love-Ru blog post a few years ago which you may find relevant.

At any rate, I invite you to draw your own conclusions. All I ask is that you come to your opinion through a place of respect.

20 comments

  1. An interesting view on a controversial subject. Oh how I love these! He has a very unique way at looking at the lolicon controversy, though the drawings are of young girls they are not hurting anyone. Even though I am an anime fan (what would people be doing on this blog if they weren’t) and love all fan service and breasts, I can very well understand the other side’s point of view on the topic and why an outsider might think this is very wrong. Usually I like to stay neutral on arguments, but I really do like boobs. No shame.

    Another thing I sort of found intriguing was the type A type B fan classification. Even though I do love the “PLOT”, I do really love an amazing story. To be honest I always think broad in terms of anime, I think of it’s plot, it’s characters, it’s art, and of course it’s “PLOT”. Usually some anime tend to be strong in one of these categories, and a little weaker in others. What I really love is when one aspect favors another aspect of an anime. I think High School DxD does an amazing job at this, where the fan service strengthens the story and characters. So I guess I would classify myself as a type A. I want to assume you are also a type A, obviously because you almost always talk about different things on your blog. Usually you come back to some topics such as feminism like you kind of did today. Of course I could be wrong.

    • I really do like boobs. No shame.

      Hear hear!

      As for type A and type B fan classification, it’s not something I tend to ponder much about, since I think everyone’s a bit of both. Everyone has different things they watch anime for, and plus it’s possible to enjoy things on multiple levels. High School DxD is one of the more obvious examples ;)

  2. I don’t really like fanservice when there’s a male involved. It’s so awkward and all the screaming and stuff is not my thing. I like a more subtle fanservice, without boob-grabbing or anything of that sort, like Gochiusa’s pool episode (that is the perfect fanservice imo, especially with Rize <3). But I don't really bother that much like other people do (some think of ecchi as some sort of weapon able to destroy an entire anime), like SAO had boob-grabbing and stuff, but it's one of my favorite animes.

    Also, I think the whole type A and B is too much reductionist. I like my anime girls and I also like a good plot, but I also watch it for art, animation, soundtrack, voice acting, etc. that are crucial to the anime experience. I think the whole "waifu material" thing is also a way of self-discovery, like finding out what you hate and love in someone, and that is a very interesting experience. I probably owe a big part of my romantic orientation to anime/manga/LNs/VNs, like I was able to fall in love freely with anime girls, cuz I restrained myself IRL due to reasons… Searching for bishoujos in anime is very rewarding as well!

    • I like a more subtle fanservice, without boob-grabbing or anything of that sort, like Gochiusa’s pool episode (that is the perfect fanservice imo, especially with Rize <3)

      Ahhh, people have been telling me to watch Gochiusa! I really should get around to it.

      You know, for some reason, I’m actually quite fond of those standard ecchi tropes. I might go through periods when I feel tired of that stuff, but I always end up coming back to it. It feels like quintessential anime to me.

      The part where the girls physically abuse the guy never sits well with me though :((

      I probably owe a big part of my romantic orientation to anime/manga/LNs/VNs, like I was able to fall in love freely with anime girls, cuz I restrained myself IRL due to reasons… Searching for bishoujos in anime is very rewarding as well!

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  3. This was a very interesting post. I’ll admit I have little problem with loli or shota so long as it stays within the realm of fantasy, if not seek help. As for fanservice I don’t think I’ve ever been bothered by it, but I be wrong.

    That talk of Hardcore and softcore, actually had me thinking a bit about my preferences and why I generally prefer vanilla, and on principal despise things like NTR, rape and the like. More often then not it just infuriates or digust me and makes me want to take a shotgun to the perps face and shove it down their throats. (My apologies just thinking about it makes me mad.) Though, their are some expections, some have had rather sad moving stories and characters.

    Come to think of it, when I think about my favorite character designs and designs I like in general for female characters, as well as how I draw them; I think I overall prefer a cute/pretty look instead of sexy. Thin, slender with enough muscle that brings to mind athelitic builds. Honestly, I don’t mind large breasts so long as they’re not to large. Or even sexy. Its honestly they same when comes to muscle, its fine to a certain point then it’s just ridiculous. Especially if boobs are just circles. BOOBS SHOULD NOT BE DRAWN THAT WAY! or giant…

    Honestly, I just really like pretty and cute designs the most.
    Shana – Cute, but at the same time a rather pretty
    Sakura Kinomoto – Absolutely adorable.
    Kuroyukihime – Pretty, like very pretty.
    Asuna – Pretty but a bit cute.
    Chiaki Chigira – Much like Shana but I’d say a bit more pretty than cute.
    Yellow – Adorable and a wonderful little sweet heart.

    That point about fan classification, well I honestly would not be sure where I stand there. Perhaps some else might be a better judge, than myself.

    I feel like I may lost track of myself somewhere in this post.

    • Awww, looks like the html stuffed up for your picture links. Want me to fix that for you?

      Anyway, as for the other stuff you said, cute designs are great! Actually, I think the kawaii/moe aesthetic is one of the big reasons why I’m into anime and Japanese games over comic books and Western games. The overly buff characters don’t do that much for me either. Looks like we’re pretty similar in that regard. You have good taste in characters, btw.

      For some reason, I can’t get mad over rape or NTR, though. The stories strike me as so ridiculous and over-the-top that they just amuse me instead of angering me. Of course, real life is a completely different matter.

      • The problem with rape & NTR is not so much that it’s offensive or distressing, but rather that it’s boring: no need for plot or getting the characters together, just get some fat, ugly old guys to rape your heroine. And while I’m loath to make too many assumptions about people’s real life habits based on the kind of story they read or write, the popularity of this sort of storyline is somewhat worrying to me, tying in as it seems with the general otaku community’s problems with sex & women.

        • Let’s not forget that rape/cuckolding/exploitation porn certainly have their fans outside the otaku community, though. And when it comes to exploitation porn, the distinction between fantasy and reality is obvious to the majority of consumers. If anything, it’s the subtle stuff that bothers me: Stories that are presented as vanilla but are full of the “Nice Guy” entitlement attitude. Or the purity complex that pervades the entire subculture, even (especially) the non-pornographic material. Rape/NTR is the low-hanging fruit in this discussion.

          • True dat. And indeed that’s what bothers me in a lot of ecchi (rather than straight hentai) shows too, including most of the ones mentioned in the article. So much of the titilation depends on having the male protag getting into (accidental) pervert situations, wardrobe malfunctions or the heroines just having to strip for reasons, rather than actually being about mutual attraction and consentual sex/heavy petting. as if it’s only okay if you can deny it’s about sex…

            • Wow, you guys have really nice and interesting thoughts on this. They make alot of sense. The talk about mutual attraction and consentual sex/heavy petting, reminds me why I love the doujinshi group Digital Lover’s work

              Digital Lover is awesome.

      • Sure. I was trying to get it to where the links where part o f the text to help make my point.

        But Yeah, overly muscled is really not my thing. Though, I don’t mind bodybuilder build too much on superheroes, but even then their is a variety. Spiderman and the Flash are usually drawn more like an athlete and Jogger respectively. Though, I’ll admit I’m not super into American comic books, though I am interested in them and their history. But, I’m often unsure of where to start, though there are some in particular that I’m interested in. Wether its a man or a woman there is a point where I feel that there is too much muscle.

        To use some ideas i have for a character that I have come up with and hope to use someday, who I shall refer to as R. R is a young man who is rather slim and toned, and if you were to see him with his shirt off, you would see his muscles are farely well defined but its not like six pack or the like.

        “For some reason, I can’t get mad over rape or NTR, though. The stories strike me as so ridiculous and over-the-top that they just amuse me instead of angering me. Of course, real life is a completely different matter.”
        That is perfectly undertandable. We are different people so we’ll react differently to something. I do try my best to respect other people’s fetishes and such but the content itself still sends me into a rage especially if other worse things are included.

        “You have good taste in characters, btw.”
        That…. That means alot to hear. And hey its really fun to talk to you. I really do like talking to you.

        • Okay, I’ve fixed up your first comment. It’s looking good!

          Speaking of guys who look good shirtless… SOUSUKE. (NOT the dude from Free. The Free dudes are worse than the Jojo and Dragon Ball Z dudes, in my opinion.)

          Oh, and don’t get me wrong. I don’t have a rape fetish. But rape and NTR are just so incredibly dumb it’s hard to muster any hatred for them. I can understand that everyone has different fetish or berserk buttons, though!

          And hey its really fun to talk to you. I really do like talking to you.

          Aww, you’re making me blush! It’s great fun talking to you too! (I also noticed you started a blog?)

          • “Oh, and don’t get me wrong. I don’t have a rape fetish. But rape and NTR are just so incredibly dumb it’s hard to muster any hatred for them. I can understand that everyone has different fetish or berserk buttons, though!”
            Sorry, if I came my words came across like that. I try so hard not to assume to much and think things through and then I mess up. Sorry about that. And yeah, I think I can see how such things are incredibly dumb and it’s hard to muster any hatred for them.

            “(I also noticed you started a blog?)”
            Yeah, just felt like staring one up as a personal blog where I can further share my art, life, and things I like. A place where I can try my best to articulate what and why I like things like manga, anime, movies, art, particular aritst and such.

  4. Funny you mention about Seikon no Qwaser. I’ve been pondering a lot about it lately. It all started with a comment on the Deathpool movie: The writer complained on how it glorifies gore and crass violence and how the audience laughed like donkeys. (Of course, Seikon No Qwaser was just about as typical as to common “Dark Shounen”, like Shadow Skill.)

    Maybe it’s time to accept, as the interviewed said, ecchi as an physical-mental-social phenomenon unavoidable to human, the same as with violence (remember your post on Gundam?) It may or may not serve a purpose in a specific context (sometime even brings detrimental effects), but it will never go away?

    If not, then why we praises the soldiers, the boxing fighters, e.t.c on our newspaper, our TV, on the silver screen?

    On the lowest level, I tend to think Ecchi anime as just another variety of animation. You don’t have to like all the flower in a garden, but a garden can not be made with a single flower, right?

    • Maybe it’s time to accept, as the interviewed said, ecchi as an physical-mental-social phenomenon unavoidable to human, the same as with violence (remember your post on Gundam?) It may or may not serve a purpose in a specific context (sometime even brings detrimental effects), but it will never go away?

      imo a key difference between violence and ecchi is that violent urges are almost never okay to act upon, while acting on sexual urges is perfectly fine as long as it’s consensual and so on.

  5. Great interview, and I’m so glad that a website like fapservice exists.
    I don’t agree with wizardofecchi on some of the perceived dangers and harms of lolicon, but non-dangerous lolicons absolutely exists, and the practice isn’t inherently evil. And yes, more conversations. More discussions. More fleshing out of nuance and exploration of complexities. More spaces where people can be open pervs.

    • The only parts that bothered me about wizardofecchi’s argument was the stuff he said about Japan. Everything else struck me as perfectly defensible. Even if it is simplistic to say that “lolicon doesn’t involve real children, therefore no harm done”, the debate around the issue has been so one-sided that I would personally side with wizardofecchi in this particular context.

  6. I’m one of that guys who openly says that fanservice ruins everything and anime was a mistake, but every season watchs at least one ecchi show.

    I did know about the site, but never used it, So the info that they make blog-posts and reviews are a really shock to me.
    Access fapservice for the reviews and blog posts is the same thing as buying a Playboy for the interviews? Hahaha.

    Excellent post [s]except for that “you’re” that should be a “your” somewhere in the middle of the text, that really made me shudder.[/s]

    • I’m one of that guys who openly says that fanservice ruins everything and anime was a mistake, but every season watchs at least one ecchi show.

      So you’re one ofthose guys? smh

      XD

      I did know about the site, but never used it, So the info that they make blog-posts and reviews are a really shock to me.

      To be fair, most of the content on the website consist of pictures and .webm files lol. But if you read the text, the writers are actually rather thoughtful. There’s a level of honesty that I find refreshing.

      Oh, and I fixed the typo that was bothering you.

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